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		<title>By: Benjamin Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benjamin Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 03:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Melissa

I appreciate your long, well thought out comment, and wanted to take a minute to reply on several of the issues you have raised.  Firstly, I would disagree with your veterinarian that a dog has the intellect of a 6 year old.  6 year old humans are able to converse fluently in multiple languages, perform basic arithmetic, and solve complex problems (i.e. using logic to figure out where you have hidden their toys, food, etc.), none of which could be tackled by a dog.  A good friend of mine has a 3 year old daughter whom I have watched grow up since she was an infant, and already her cognitive capacity is far beyond anything I&#039;ve ever seen done by even the most intelligent dog.  Even with a chimpanzee (the most intelligent of the non-human animals) it would be pushing it a bit to suggest they had the mental capacity of a 6 year old.  

Interestingly enough however, when it comes to animals that humans eat, pigs have shown to be the most intelligent.  When brought up as pets, pigs can be trained more effectively (and respond to more commands) than dogs.       

As for what you have seen on television, it is always vital to put television reports in perspective.  American TV tends to over-emphasize the sensational aspects of every day issues.  Therefore, it is likely that what you saw on television is in fact real, however it is likely not a representative sample of dog slaughter as a whole.  It&#039;s just like how whenever I turn on the local news (which is almost never) I&#039;m immediately bombarded with stories of the various Chicagoans who have been abducted, raped, and brutally murdered on their way to work.  What I don&#039;t hear about is the other several million people who had completely ordinary days without any major catastrophe.  Animal cruelty does happen in China, but if we are going to use cruelty as a reason not to eat dogs, why not extend it to pigs, chickens, and cattle as well?  Only opposing dog consumption would stand to undercut the defense other animals which animal rights activists would stand to support as well.      

Again, these are only my views.  I eat virtually any animal put on my plate, without thought or concern to how it got there, so I really have no moral high ground to stand upon when it comes to these issues. Thanks again for sharing your view.  One of my main aims of this blog has always been to promote mutual understanding of different issues from a variety of cultural viewpoints.</description>
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<p>I appreciate your long, well thought out comment, and wanted to take a minute to reply on several of the issues you have raised.  Firstly, I would disagree with your veterinarian that a dog has the intellect of a 6 year old.  6 year old humans are able to converse fluently in multiple languages, perform basic arithmetic, and solve complex problems (i.e. using logic to figure out where you have hidden their toys, food, etc.), none of which could be tackled by a dog.  A good friend of mine has a 3 year old daughter whom I have watched grow up since she was an infant, and already her cognitive capacity is far beyond anything I&#8217;ve ever seen done by even the most intelligent dog.  Even with a chimpanzee (the most intelligent of the non-human animals) it would be pushing it a bit to suggest they had the mental capacity of a 6 year old.  </p>
<p>Interestingly enough however, when it comes to animals that humans eat, pigs have shown to be the most intelligent.  When brought up as pets, pigs can be trained more effectively (and respond to more commands) than dogs.       </p>
<p>As for what you have seen on television, it is always vital to put television reports in perspective.  American TV tends to over-emphasize the sensational aspects of every day issues.  Therefore, it is likely that what you saw on television is in fact real, however it is likely not a representative sample of dog slaughter as a whole.  It&#8217;s just like how whenever I turn on the local news (which is almost never) I&#8217;m immediately bombarded with stories of the various Chicagoans who have been abducted, raped, and brutally murdered on their way to work.  What I don&#8217;t hear about is the other several million people who had completely ordinary days without any major catastrophe.  Animal cruelty does happen in China, but if we are going to use cruelty as a reason not to eat dogs, why not extend it to pigs, chickens, and cattle as well?  Only opposing dog consumption would stand to undercut the defense other animals which animal rights activists would stand to support as well.      </p>
<p>Again, these are only my views.  I eat virtually any animal put on my plate, without thought or concern to how it got there, so I really have no moral high ground to stand upon when it comes to these issues. Thanks again for sharing your view.  One of my main aims of this blog has always been to promote mutual understanding of different issues from a variety of cultural viewpoints.</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 20:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a US citizen and have an interest in visiting China. However, I am a dog lover and have 2 rescue dogs who have their distinct personalities. They are smart, loving, and protective of me and my house. My vet said a dog has the mentality of a 6 year old. I do not think that killing dogs is ethical. I understand there are cultural differences from the USA and China. I understand that there is a history of eating dog meat in certain parts of the world. However, it does not make it right in my opinion.  I have seen on videos of the Chinese dog market, that not all dogs are &quot;wild&quot;. Some are pets and stolen for their owners. They way they die are very disturbing. The crates they are carried in are dropped from a high truck. Their legs are broken or severely hurt. They are pulled apart, cut open alive, left to Bleed out, or starved or drowned. Many ways of torture to kill these precious animals..  Some are tied up and  hung. Most seem to be big dogs like German Shepard who are so people orientated and protective of their family in the USA. My uncle who is a police officer, had a German Shepard  dog with him for years in Boston, MA. These dogs were his best friend and companion after hours. Your comments on you experience with dog meat in China are non-emotional and straight forward and informative. However, when one looks at the big picture, I personally do not think it is ever right to inflict torment and pain on dogs, one of our most intelligent creatures. Melissa</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a US citizen and have an interest in visiting China. However, I am a dog lover and have 2 rescue dogs who have their distinct personalities. They are smart, loving, and protective of me and my house. My vet said a dog has the mentality of a 6 year old. I do not think that killing dogs is ethical. I understand there are cultural differences from the USA and China. I understand that there is a history of eating dog meat in certain parts of the world. However, it does not make it right in my opinion.  I have seen on videos of the Chinese dog market, that not all dogs are &#8220;wild&#8221;. Some are pets and stolen for their owners. They way they die are very disturbing. The crates they are carried in are dropped from a high truck. Their legs are broken or severely hurt. They are pulled apart, cut open alive, left to Bleed out, or starved or drowned. Many ways of torture to kill these precious animals..  Some are tied up and  hung. Most seem to be big dogs like German Shepard who are so people orientated and protective of their family in the USA. My uncle who is a police officer, had a German Shepard  dog with him for years in Boston, MA. These dogs were his best friend and companion after hours. Your comments on you experience with dog meat in China are non-emotional and straight forward and informative. However, when one looks at the big picture, I personally do not think it is ever right to inflict torment and pain on dogs, one of our most intelligent creatures. Melissa</p>
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		<title>By: Kirby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@W.D.Box

I dont understand the double standard for not being ok with eating dog meat and being ok with eating pigs. Pigs are by all measures more intelligent than dogs... they just haven&#039;t been incorporated in Western culture as &quot;man&#039;s best friend.&quot; Why is eating one animal any more or less barbaric than eating another?

Secondly, I would caution against your use of the term barbaric... a highly loaded and culturally insensitive term to say the least. I would wager that many Chinese would find the European practice of eating rotting congealed dairy... which you white people call &quot;CHEESE&quot;... to be barbaric as well.

In the end, just shut up.</description>
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<p>I dont understand the double standard for not being ok with eating dog meat and being ok with eating pigs. Pigs are by all measures more intelligent than dogs&#8230; they just haven&#8217;t been incorporated in Western culture as &#8220;man&#8217;s best friend.&#8221; Why is eating one animal any more or less barbaric than eating another?</p>
<p>Secondly, I would caution against your use of the term barbaric&#8230; a highly loaded and culturally insensitive term to say the least. I would wager that many Chinese would find the European practice of eating rotting congealed dairy&#8230; which you white people call &#8220;CHEESE&#8221;&#8230; to be barbaric as well.</p>
<p>In the end, just shut up.</p>
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		<title>By: CJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>CJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s weird...when you see dog carcasses hanging outside, you think of barbarity, but when I see them, I think &quot;delicious!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s weird&#8230;when you see dog carcasses hanging outside, you think of barbarity, but when I see them, I think &#8220;delicious!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: W.D.Box</title>
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		<dc:creator>W.D.Box</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 00:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post, Ben.  A straight forward, piece about dog consumption.  Two points where I would disagree with your thoughts:  Because the dogs are considered by you to be &quot;wild&quot; and raised on a farm, does not, for me, at least, lessen the emotional impact when discovering the eating places that serve dog.  This is a betrayal by man of a domesticated animal.  Secondly, my take is that you have not actually witnessed the carcasses of many dogs hanging from an outside kitchen and in the actual process of being butchered.  Quite an experience, not favorable, I might add, for a lover of dogs.  Nonetheless, you do add insight in an unemotional way to a habit that is now more peculiar to the Southwest region of China (where I am).
Beijing has in the past taken steps (fines) to end this barbaric custom, some would say, for eating dog meat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post, Ben.  A straight forward, piece about dog consumption.  Two points where I would disagree with your thoughts:  Because the dogs are considered by you to be &#8220;wild&#8221; and raised on a farm, does not, for me, at least, lessen the emotional impact when discovering the eating places that serve dog.  This is a betrayal by man of a domesticated animal.  Secondly, my take is that you have not actually witnessed the carcasses of many dogs hanging from an outside kitchen and in the actual process of being butchered.  Quite an experience, not favorable, I might add, for a lover of dogs.  Nonetheless, you do add insight in an unemotional way to a habit that is now more peculiar to the Southwest region of China (where I am).<br />
Beijing has in the past taken steps (fines) to end this barbaric custom, some would say, for eating dog meat.</p>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The other name for dog mean is call &quot;36&quot; , &quot;three six&quot;  in chinese .

one says &quot;even gods can not resist the smell of hot pot 36 

jim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The other name for dog mean is call &#8220;36&#8243; , &#8220;three six&#8221;  in chinese .</p>
<p>one says &#8220;even gods can not resist the smell of hot pot 36 </p>
<p>jim</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benjamin Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 04:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Peter

From what I have gathered (and I am no nutritionist, so take my information with a grain of salt), dog is actually one of the more nutritious meats, in terms of having a low fat content, definitely more healthy than eating pork or beef.  Like Chris says, it&#039;s also considered a warming food in China.  Another explanation I have heard is that it is good for the stomach.  

As for the taste, I didn&#039;t find it particularly tasty, nor particularly bad...it was just, well...meat.  I also didn&#039;t grow up eating dog meat, and a great deal of one&#039;s individual eating preferences is based on what was around when they grew up.  I&#039;d imagine, had grown up in China, occasionally eating dog as a delicacy, I probably would have appreciated it more.</description>
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<p>From what I have gathered (and I am no nutritionist, so take my information with a grain of salt), dog is actually one of the more nutritious meats, in terms of having a low fat content, definitely more healthy than eating pork or beef.  Like Chris says, it&#8217;s also considered a warming food in China.  Another explanation I have heard is that it is good for the stomach.  </p>
<p>As for the taste, I didn&#8217;t find it particularly tasty, nor particularly bad&#8230;it was just, well&#8230;meat.  I also didn&#8217;t grow up eating dog meat, and a great deal of one&#8217;s individual eating preferences is based on what was around when they grew up.  I&#8217;d imagine, had grown up in China, occasionally eating dog as a delicacy, I probably would have appreciated it more.</p>
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		<title>By: chriswaugh_bj</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 02:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jiang, the words pork, beef and mutton all come from Old French. After the Norman Conquest, French was the language of government, and so the French words for those animals entered English as words specifically for the meat of those animals. Had the Normans been into eating dog, we would quite likely have a word for dog meat, probably something similar to &#039;chien&#039;.

Peter, notice everybody said dog is eaten in the winter? It&#039;s a heating food, makes you warm. I&#039;ve also heard some say it&#039;s an aphrodisiac.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jiang, the words pork, beef and mutton all come from Old French. After the Norman Conquest, French was the language of government, and so the French words for those animals entered English as words specifically for the meat of those animals. Had the Normans been into eating dog, we would quite likely have a word for dog meat, probably something similar to &#8216;chien&#8217;.</p>
<p>Peter, notice everybody said dog is eaten in the winter? It&#8217;s a heating food, makes you warm. I&#8217;ve also heard some say it&#8217;s an aphrodisiac.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the nice write-up, Ben!  Sorry if I missed this, but what is the main reason for eating dog meat? If it is more expensive than beef or pork, what is seen as  the benefit? 

From Ben&#039;s description, it doesn&#039;t sound like it tastes better than either mainstream meat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the nice write-up, Ben!  Sorry if I missed this, but what is the main reason for eating dog meat? If it is more expensive than beef or pork, what is seen as  the benefit? </p>
<p>From Ben&#8217;s description, it doesn&#8217;t sound like it tastes better than either mainstream meat.</p>
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		<title>By: Leben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have the exprience of eating dog meat .But I know they call it 香肉(savory meat ).I don&#039;t think it is thatdelicious  because I like vegetables more .
By the way , the explanation of 中国 is not likely to be Middle Kingdom . I heared from one of my friends that &quot; in the Ming Dynasty of China , the definition of 中国 is &#039; The country among thousands of countries in the world (万国之中的一个国家)&#039; .&quot; And I think that is the real intention of 中国 .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have the exprience of eating dog meat .But I know they call it 香肉(savory meat ).I don&#8217;t think it is thatdelicious  because I like vegetables more .<br />
By the way , the explanation of 中国 is not likely to be Middle Kingdom . I heared from one of my friends that &#8221; in the Ming Dynasty of China , the definition of 中国 is &#8216; The country among thousands of countries in the world (万国之中的一个国家)&#8217; .&#8221; And I think that is the real intention of 中国 .</p>
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