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		<title>By: FOARP</title>
		<link>http://benross.net/wordpress/spring-festival-and-politics-mix-in-chicago/2008/02/11/comment-page-1/#comment-16675</link>
		<dc:creator>FOARP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 00:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually displaying of the nationalist flag on double ten day was common in HK up until the late seventies as a sign of protest amoung mainland refugees. I&#039;m sure you&#039;re aware that the nationalist movement started in Guangdong also, and relied very heavily on donations from overseas Chinese for its funding until the capture of Nanjing in the 1920s northern expedition. 

Asides from that . . . . I would say that opposition to the communist government and Chinese nationalism have formed a definite part of the third generational Chinese experience. It is strange to note that even Taiwanese  nowadays are often discouraged from displaying the white sun flag - many KMT-leaning people prefer to display the Chinese Taipei olympic flag when in an international setting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually displaying of the nationalist flag on double ten day was common in HK up until the late seventies as a sign of protest amoung mainland refugees. I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;re aware that the nationalist movement started in Guangdong also, and relied very heavily on donations from overseas Chinese for its funding until the capture of Nanjing in the 1920s northern expedition. </p>
<p>Asides from that . . . . I would say that opposition to the communist government and Chinese nationalism have formed a definite part of the third generational Chinese experience. It is strange to note that even Taiwanese  nowadays are often discouraged from displaying the white sun flag &#8211; many KMT-leaning people prefer to display the Chinese Taipei olympic flag when in an international setting.</p>
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		<title>By: Victor L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victor L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben, ran across your blog and I have found it to be quite interesting. I am from HK but have lived in the US since I was 18 (oh god its almost 10 years). The one thing I have found is that Chinese people in general are very apolitical. Even in contemporary Hong Kong where democracy is a continuing possibility, a majority of people prefer not to get involved and just let government do their business. In China and Hong Kong (I don&#039;t know about Taiwan), when you talk about politics, it makes people very uncomfortable. For example, I went home one winter many years and I was telling my family what I was studying.... I told them I was studying Political Science - zhing zhee, and my whole family was shocked and fearful for my well being. I now tell people I studied &quot;international security.&quot;

I believe that it has to do with a number of factors. Before the Communist era, the only &quot;politicians&quot; were those with royal blood, eunuchs, or wealthy educated people that are appointed as judges or magistrates. When the Communists came into power, any mention of politics must have had a pro-CCP. By the 80s, intellectuals and scholars, particularly those who had studied &quot;political science&quot; had been gotten rid off (if you know what I mean).

In Chicago, I think Chinese people continue to be apolitical, and in general the Taiwanese flag is not offensive because the history of the flag is a part of Chinese culture. Before it was the Taiwanese flag, the symbol of the sun is actually the flag of pre-Communist China. I think the symbol was created by Sun Yet Sen during what they call the Republican Era, which is why after the nationalists lost it was brought with them to Taiwan. Of course, to say anything about it now is political, and I think Chinese in the US could care less about the governments in either CHina or Taiwan as long as their immediate family are okay. Many HK people have many family all around (our Chinese New Year dinner in HK that I haven&#039;t been to in years has family coming in from Fuzhou, Taiwan and Philippines). 

Because the Chinese community in Chicago is so old, a lot of Chinatown are new immigrants and the &quot;old&quot; Chinese largely live in the Suburbs. Even among Chinese coming to Chicago, we are seen, not as outsiders but new additions. We are instructed to &quot;do as the romans,&quot; as in accommodate to the way the Chinese have been doing things since even before Communist Party began in China. With that said I think most people, including myself, don&#039;t really care about what flag is being held, as long as they can live their new life in America in peace and with prosperity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben, ran across your blog and I have found it to be quite interesting. I am from HK but have lived in the US since I was 18 (oh god its almost 10 years). The one thing I have found is that Chinese people in general are very apolitical. Even in contemporary Hong Kong where democracy is a continuing possibility, a majority of people prefer not to get involved and just let government do their business. In China and Hong Kong (I don&#8217;t know about Taiwan), when you talk about politics, it makes people very uncomfortable. For example, I went home one winter many years and I was telling my family what I was studying&#8230;. I told them I was studying Political Science &#8211; zhing zhee, and my whole family was shocked and fearful for my well being. I now tell people I studied &#8220;international security.&#8221;</p>
<p>I believe that it has to do with a number of factors. Before the Communist era, the only &#8220;politicians&#8221; were those with royal blood, eunuchs, or wealthy educated people that are appointed as judges or magistrates. When the Communists came into power, any mention of politics must have had a pro-CCP. By the 80s, intellectuals and scholars, particularly those who had studied &#8220;political science&#8221; had been gotten rid off (if you know what I mean).</p>
<p>In Chicago, I think Chinese people continue to be apolitical, and in general the Taiwanese flag is not offensive because the history of the flag is a part of Chinese culture. Before it was the Taiwanese flag, the symbol of the sun is actually the flag of pre-Communist China. I think the symbol was created by Sun Yet Sen during what they call the Republican Era, which is why after the nationalists lost it was brought with them to Taiwan. Of course, to say anything about it now is political, and I think Chinese in the US could care less about the governments in either CHina or Taiwan as long as their immediate family are okay. Many HK people have many family all around (our Chinese New Year dinner in HK that I haven&#8217;t been to in years has family coming in from Fuzhou, Taiwan and Philippines). </p>
<p>Because the Chinese community in Chicago is so old, a lot of Chinatown are new immigrants and the &#8220;old&#8221; Chinese largely live in the Suburbs. Even among Chinese coming to Chicago, we are seen, not as outsiders but new additions. We are instructed to &#8220;do as the romans,&#8221; as in accommodate to the way the Chinese have been doing things since even before Communist Party began in China. With that said I think most people, including myself, don&#8217;t really care about what flag is being held, as long as they can live their new life in America in peace and with prosperity.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Rizzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Rizzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 04:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;For me, I would rather comply with the regulations, rather than have my blog cut off&quot;

You should get a job at Yahoo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;For me, I would rather comply with the regulations, rather than have my blog cut off&#8221;</p>
<p>You should get a job at Yahoo.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benjamin Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anybody noticed that certain posts are available while others are blocked?  This happened in June when &lt;a rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; href=&quot;http://www.benross.net/wordpress/?p=94&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a single comment triggered off a series of blockades against my blog&lt;/a&gt;.  As soon as I removed the comment, everything was fine.

@Another Ben R from Kansas City living in China

As for the censorship issue, here&#039;s my take.  Most of China&#039;s Internet &quot;harmonizing&quot; is done by computers.  Usually, I don&#039;t use this blog as a venue for politics or anything too sensitive, so I am guessing chances are I was blocked due to a keyword used out of context being picked up by a trolling bot.  For me, I would rather comply with the regulations, rather than have my blog cut off from the country from which it gets about one third of its readership.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anybody noticed that certain posts are available while others are blocked?  This happened in June when <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.benross.net/wordpress/?p=94" rel="nofollow">a single comment triggered off a series of blockades against my blog</a>.  As soon as I removed the comment, everything was fine.</p>
<p>@Another Ben R from Kansas City living in China</p>
<p>As for the censorship issue, here&#8217;s my take.  Most of China&#8217;s Internet &#8220;harmonizing&#8221; is done by computers.  Usually, I don&#8217;t use this blog as a venue for politics or anything too sensitive, so I am guessing chances are I was blocked due to a keyword used out of context being picked up by a trolling bot.  For me, I would rather comply with the regulations, rather than have my blog cut off from the country from which it gets about one third of its readership.</p>
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		<title>By: Another Ben R. from Kansas City living in China</title>
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		<dc:creator>Another Ben R. from Kansas City living in China</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 09:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are definitely blocked here in Guangdong. Don&#039;t surrender
to censorship by deleting posts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are definitely blocked here in Guangdong. Don&#8217;t surrender<br />
to censorship by deleting posts.</p>
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		<title>By: canrun</title>
		<link>http://benross.net/wordpress/spring-festival-and-politics-mix-in-chicago/2008/02/11/comment-page-1/#comment-13786</link>
		<dc:creator>canrun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 09:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are back on today, but have been off and on (mostly off) for well over a month now both in southern Guangdong and in Guangxi, where I spent SF. I couldn&#039;t even get comments to show up or more than one entry to load by using anonymouse, tenpass, etc. I have no idea what seems to be causing it....

Blame James Fallows, I guess... ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are back on today, but have been off and on (mostly off) for well over a month now both in southern Guangdong and in Guangxi, where I spent SF. I couldn&#8217;t even get comments to show up or more than one entry to load by using anonymouse, tenpass, etc. I have no idea what seems to be causing it&#8230;.</p>
<p>Blame James Fallows, I guess&#8230; <img src='http://benross.net/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: leishi</title>
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		<dc:creator>leishi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 20:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think the ROC flag is probably due to the collaboration between FLG practitioners and anti-PRC, pro ROC or pro-taiwan groups passing them out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think the ROC flag is probably due to the collaboration between FLG practitioners and anti-PRC, pro ROC or pro-taiwan groups passing them out.</p>
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		<title>By: chriswaugh_bj</title>
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		<dc:creator>chriswaugh_bj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 03:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No problems accessing your blog from Beijing, not for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No problems accessing your blog from Beijing, not for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Ross</title>
		<link>http://benross.net/wordpress/spring-festival-and-politics-mix-in-chicago/2008/02/11/comment-page-1/#comment-13581</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 00:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>canrun et al

Has anybody else had problems with this site being blocked in China?  If so, could you either leave me a comment or email me at bensinchina at yahoo dot com?  Is it specific posts, or the entire site.  It&#039;s possible I may need to do another round of internal censorship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>canrun et al</p>
<p>Has anybody else had problems with this site being blocked in China?  If so, could you either leave me a comment or email me at bensinchina at yahoo dot com?  Is it specific posts, or the entire site.  It&#8217;s possible I may need to do another round of internal censorship.</p>
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		<title>By: canrun</title>
		<link>http://benross.net/wordpress/spring-festival-and-politics-mix-in-chicago/2008/02/11/comment-page-1/#comment-13561</link>
		<dc:creator>canrun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben, 

Do you know that you&#039;re usually hard-blocked in China now? It comes and goes, but mostly can&#039;t even get your blog with a proxy. Stinks, really. What have you been up to? ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben, </p>
<p>Do you know that you&#8217;re usually hard-blocked in China now? It comes and goes, but mostly can&#8217;t even get your blog with a proxy. Stinks, really. What have you been up to? <img src='http://benross.net/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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