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		<title>By: LT</title>
		<link>http://benross.net/wordpress/long-hours-and-little-work/2007/05/23/comment-page-1/#comment-2114</link>
		<dc:creator>LT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2007 10:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Mr. Zheng could probably do it, but inertia is hard to change. 

In a large department store, the scheduling would be a huge amount of overhead that seems in the end not worth it when you&#039;re paying people the same anyway whether they work 6 or 12 hours. Only competition will change that, but then one comes back to employment and there simply are too many available low-cost workers.

But thinking about Mr. Zheng, is he really THAT overstaffed? What would happen if he adjusted schedules, kept salaries the same, but gave people off hours from noon-2pm, dinner time, etc. 

First he&#039;d have to schedule, who get&#039;s the perk each day of not coming in until 2pm. If everyone came in at 1:55 pm, they probably wouldn&#039;t have things prepped when customers come in. If people rotate, how many people can he give the perk to on a particular day, he&#039;s got to have  a core stylist, washer, and cleaner for the odd customer that comes in. Are daily customer patterns predictable after 2 pm also? What happens thru dinner hours and from say 9 pm to midnight? If he has typicall unpredictable rushes in those later hours, it&#039;s pretty tough to run a core staff then and not be turning away customers. With tight margins, this would not be acceptable.

Does he have THAT regular of a flow of customers that a schedule can be predicted and adjusted, do they capture the flow on a spreadsheet and consider demand peaks, and marketing promotions? Do they then market and drive business for slower parts of the day? Are simple things like the staff is reliable enough to make such tight adjustments in the schedule. Who would do this scheduling?

You see where this is going， it&#039;s a higher-level of management, but where&#039;s he gonna learn it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Mr. Zheng could probably do it, but inertia is hard to change. </p>
<p>In a large department store, the scheduling would be a huge amount of overhead that seems in the end not worth it when you&#8217;re paying people the same anyway whether they work 6 or 12 hours. Only competition will change that, but then one comes back to employment and there simply are too many available low-cost workers.</p>
<p>But thinking about Mr. Zheng, is he really THAT overstaffed? What would happen if he adjusted schedules, kept salaries the same, but gave people off hours from noon-2pm, dinner time, etc. </p>
<p>First he&#8217;d have to schedule, who get&#8217;s the perk each day of not coming in until 2pm. If everyone came in at 1:55 pm, they probably wouldn&#8217;t have things prepped when customers come in. If people rotate, how many people can he give the perk to on a particular day, he&#8217;s got to have  a core stylist, washer, and cleaner for the odd customer that comes in. Are daily customer patterns predictable after 2 pm also? What happens thru dinner hours and from say 9 pm to midnight? If he has typicall unpredictable rushes in those later hours, it&#8217;s pretty tough to run a core staff then and not be turning away customers. With tight margins, this would not be acceptable.</p>
<p>Does he have THAT regular of a flow of customers that a schedule can be predicted and adjusted, do they capture the flow on a spreadsheet and consider demand peaks, and marketing promotions? Do they then market and drive business for slower parts of the day? Are simple things like the staff is reliable enough to make such tight adjustments in the schedule. Who would do this scheduling?</p>
<p>You see where this is going， it&#8217;s a higher-level of management, but where&#8217;s he gonna learn it?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 13:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know, I think that there is likely a large untapped market for part time workers in China, although more likely at the professional level than at the service or retail level.  I wrote a loooong post talking about this in response to this post.  If you want to check it out, just click on my name for the direct link.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know, I think that there is likely a large untapped market for part time workers in China, although more likely at the professional level than at the service or retail level.  I wrote a loooong post talking about this in response to this post.  If you want to check it out, just click on my name for the direct link.</p>
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		<title>By: The China Expat &#187; The Inefficiencies in the Chinese Working Class</title>
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		<dc:creator>The China Expat &#187; The Inefficiencies in the Chinese Working Class</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 13:20:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Anyway, he wrote a good introduction to the inefficiencies of many employees in China, shedding some insight into the &#8220;why&#8221; of a room full of hairdressers or waitresses standing around doing nothing. If you have ever walked into a Chinese restaurant or hair salon or clothing store or mall bathroom or any of a huge range of Chinese businesses during non-peak hours, you know what I am talking about. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Anyway, he wrote a good introduction to the inefficiencies of many employees in China, shedding some insight into the &#8220;why&#8221; of a room full of hairdressers or waitresses standing around doing nothing. If you have ever walked into a Chinese restaurant or hair salon or clothing store or mall bathroom or any of a huge range of Chinese businesses during non-peak hours, you know what I am talking about. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benjamin Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 16:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bernard asks:
&lt;blockquote&gt;On a similar line of questioning from the other readers, if you’re a small business owner in China, would there be an advantage to implementing a western style system of part time workers and job scheduling based on observed traffic flows for your business?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

In my opinion, there would absolutely be an advantage.  Mr. Zheng told me that labor is his biggest expense, and obviously a lot of this labor is being wasted.  The problem, however, I think is imbedded within the system.  In the West, many people (espeically students) work part time jobs.  In China, this is not as common.  While it does happen occasionally, you are either fully indebted to your work (like our barbershop) or fully indebted to something else (such as school)...the two generally don&#039;t mix.  While it would make business sense for Mr. Zheng to employ a western style system of shift management, my guess is he would not be able to find the workers to do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bernard asks:</p>
<blockquote><p>On a similar line of questioning from the other readers, if you’re a small business owner in China, would there be an advantage to implementing a western style system of part time workers and job scheduling based on observed traffic flows for your business?</p></blockquote>
<p>In my opinion, there would absolutely be an advantage.  Mr. Zheng told me that labor is his biggest expense, and obviously a lot of this labor is being wasted.  The problem, however, I think is imbedded within the system.  In the West, many people (espeically students) work part time jobs.  In China, this is not as common.  While it does happen occasionally, you are either fully indebted to your work (like our barbershop) or fully indebted to something else (such as school)&#8230;the two generally don&#8217;t mix.  While it would make business sense for Mr. Zheng to employ a western style system of shift management, my guess is he would not be able to find the workers to do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benjamin Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 15:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>M asks:

&lt;blockquote&gt;why doesn’t Mr. Zheng reduce the number of workers?
Do your workers also try to study during those hours that are not very busy? 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think the problem is that in China 99% of all workers are full time.  There are times (though few and far between) when the entire staff is busy.  If Mr. Zheng were to trim the staff, he could only do it by firing some workers, not by shortening their hours.  This is because if he shortened their hours he would probably also have to decrease their pay (otherwise, what&#039;s the point?)  If he decreased their pay, they would probably just quit.  So in order to have enough staff when the shop is busy, he needs to keep all of the full time employees.    

As for studying during downtime, I have asked about this as well.  My thinking was that if you know you are going to have 3 to 5 hours of downtime per day on the job 322 days per year there is an incredible potential for studying...possibly learn English, read the annals of Chinese history, memorize the telephone book?  However, it still seems that most time is devoted to the newspaper, magazines, cell phone games, and general clowning around.  When I asked one of my colleagues, he told me that most of the workers in the barbershop don&#039;t like studying anyway (which is why they are working there instead of going to college, or high school for that matter).  Simply put, they have already given up on studying and are committed to lives in the service industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>M asks:</p>
<blockquote><p>why doesn’t Mr. Zheng reduce the number of workers?<br />
Do your workers also try to study during those hours that are not very busy?
</p></blockquote>
<p>I think the problem is that in China 99% of all workers are full time.  There are times (though few and far between) when the entire staff is busy.  If Mr. Zheng were to trim the staff, he could only do it by firing some workers, not by shortening their hours.  This is because if he shortened their hours he would probably also have to decrease their pay (otherwise, what&#8217;s the point?)  If he decreased their pay, they would probably just quit.  So in order to have enough staff when the shop is busy, he needs to keep all of the full time employees.    </p>
<p>As for studying during downtime, I have asked about this as well.  My thinking was that if you know you are going to have 3 to 5 hours of downtime per day on the job 322 days per year there is an incredible potential for studying&#8230;possibly learn English, read the annals of Chinese history, memorize the telephone book?  However, it still seems that most time is devoted to the newspaper, magazines, cell phone games, and general clowning around.  When I asked one of my colleagues, he told me that most of the workers in the barbershop don&#8217;t like studying anyway (which is why they are working there instead of going to college, or high school for that matter).  Simply put, they have already given up on studying and are committed to lives in the service industry.</p>
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		<title>By: China Law Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>China Law Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 00:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the things I am always telling my American clients doing business in China is that they need to realize that the American maxim that &quot;time is money&quot; does not hold true in China.  Your post nicely reinforces that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the things I am always telling my American clients doing business in China is that they need to realize that the American maxim that &#8220;time is money&#8221; does not hold true in China.  Your post nicely reinforces that.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 21:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well,I don&#039;t think a person will be busy all the eight hours aroud.
What you guys will do if there&#039;s nothing to do during working hours?
Staring at the computer blankly?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well,I don&#8217;t think a person will be busy all the eight hours aroud.<br />
What you guys will do if there&#8217;s nothing to do during working hours?<br />
Staring at the computer blankly?</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 16:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw the similar inefficiency for some jobs here in the U.S., although employer wouldn&#039;t have endorsed it.  For example, a government employee in the States usually must be at work at a certain and may not leave before a certain time.  Once at work, they can do any personal things they want.  They can even take a 3-hour lunch break if they want.  They will never get fired.  In private businesses, lots of employees today spend several hours out of the 8-hour schedule surfing Internet, which is equivalent to your coworkers&#039; reading newspaper.  The difference, though, is that such an activity is not endorsed but tolerated by employers in the U.S.  When I was doing indenpendent software consulting, I worked as a contractor.  I usually had tons fo work to do in order to get paid big bucks.  The permanent employees of my client whom I worked with usually didn&#039;t have much to do.  They goofed around a lot.  Work efficiency is a big issue here in the States as well.  I used to be very demanding on my team members (yes, I was a boss) and always calculated to the exact hour when I would expect them to finish a task.  Needless to say, they were not happy and ineffecient.  I have learned over the years that if I do less macro management, they would be happier and chances are they would be more productive.  As for inefficiency seen at your barbershop in China, I think someday that would change.  Just look at Taiwan.  Such an efficiency won&#039;t exist in a barbershop in Taiwan.  The reason?  Time means very little and doesn&#039;t worth much to Chinese workers now.  They might as well spend 14 hours a day in the barbershop.  Mr. Zheng is wise enough to pay his employees by tasks instead of by hours.

Disclosure -  I am all for efficiency. I usually work 4.5 days a week, M through T and 1/2 days on Fridays.  Efficiency is vital for being productive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw the similar inefficiency for some jobs here in the U.S., although employer wouldn&#8217;t have endorsed it.  For example, a government employee in the States usually must be at work at a certain and may not leave before a certain time.  Once at work, they can do any personal things they want.  They can even take a 3-hour lunch break if they want.  They will never get fired.  In private businesses, lots of employees today spend several hours out of the 8-hour schedule surfing Internet, which is equivalent to your coworkers&#8217; reading newspaper.  The difference, though, is that such an activity is not endorsed but tolerated by employers in the U.S.  When I was doing indenpendent software consulting, I worked as a contractor.  I usually had tons fo work to do in order to get paid big bucks.  The permanent employees of my client whom I worked with usually didn&#8217;t have much to do.  They goofed around a lot.  Work efficiency is a big issue here in the States as well.  I used to be very demanding on my team members (yes, I was a boss) and always calculated to the exact hour when I would expect them to finish a task.  Needless to say, they were not happy and ineffecient.  I have learned over the years that if I do less macro management, they would be happier and chances are they would be more productive.  As for inefficiency seen at your barbershop in China, I think someday that would change.  Just look at Taiwan.  Such an efficiency won&#8217;t exist in a barbershop in Taiwan.  The reason?  Time means very little and doesn&#8217;t worth much to Chinese workers now.  They might as well spend 14 hours a day in the barbershop.  Mr. Zheng is wise enough to pay his employees by tasks instead of by hours.</p>
<p>Disclosure &#8211;  I am all for efficiency. I usually work 4.5 days a week, M through T and 1/2 days on Fridays.  Efficiency is vital for being productive.</p>
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		<title>By: Rene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 11:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben,

Something I&#039;m curious about: has your presence affected the flow of business in the shop in any way? My apologies if you&#039;ve addressed this before in an entry or in a comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben,</p>
<p>Something I&#8217;m curious about: has your presence affected the flow of business in the shop in any way? My apologies if you&#8217;ve addressed this before in an entry or in a comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Malcolm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Malcolm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 08:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just reread my post- if I could tone down the language, I would- my apologies- only looking for a little constructive argumentation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just reread my post- if I could tone down the language, I would- my apologies- only looking for a little constructive argumentation.</p>
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