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		<title>By: The Kippies</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Kippies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 07:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I discovered 奋斗 about 3 years ago from the recommendation of a DVD seller in Shanghai. He said it was an interesting series, and because it was set in Beijing, their Mandarin was good and I could learn I lot of slang. I watched the whole series in like a week and loved it because i felt it did capture the feel of what a life is like in Beijing. All of the Chinese friends from Beijing who I discussed this series with loved it too. I think its because all of the scenes were filmed in places that hold lots of memories for people who have spent any fair amount of time in Beijing, especially as a student. (I studied in Beijing for my junior year of university). For example - their school they was filmed on the Tsinghua campus, and the apartments that 陆涛 and 杨晓芸 live, 后现代城， is a very popular place for young people to live. Some of my friends in Beijing live there. 

FYI, 华子 did graduate from the same University as the rest of the gang (remember, he was wearing a cap and gown too at the beginning), but just chose another path than the rest.   and actually the script was based on the book 奋斗。 

@Shan - I think you probably didn\&#039;t watch enough. I thought the theme of the series actually was against materialism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I discovered 奋斗 about 3 years ago from the recommendation of a DVD seller in Shanghai. He said it was an interesting series, and because it was set in Beijing, their Mandarin was good and I could learn I lot of slang. I watched the whole series in like a week and loved it because i felt it did capture the feel of what a life is like in Beijing. All of the Chinese friends from Beijing who I discussed this series with loved it too. I think its because all of the scenes were filmed in places that hold lots of memories for people who have spent any fair amount of time in Beijing, especially as a student. (I studied in Beijing for my junior year of university). For example &#8211; their school they was filmed on the Tsinghua campus, and the apartments that 陆涛 and 杨晓芸 live, 后现代城， is a very popular place for young people to live. Some of my friends in Beijing live there. </p>
<p>FYI, 华子 did graduate from the same University as the rest of the gang (remember, he was wearing a cap and gown too at the beginning), but just chose another path than the rest.   and actually the script was based on the book 奋斗。 </p>
<p>@Shan &#8211; I think you probably didn\&#8217;t watch enough. I thought the theme of the series actually was against materialism.</p>
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		<title>By: echo yan</title>
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		<dc:creator>echo yan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>蜗居 最好不要看。头疼！</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>蜗居 最好不要看。头疼！</p>
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		<title>By: intotherain</title>
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		<dc:creator>intotherain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 02:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi, this is intotherain.

我之前读过你的很多文章，我记得你曾在福建生活和工作，不知道现在在哪里，回美国了吗？

至于《奋斗》，它是一部很受欢迎的电视剧，首先是其演员阵容强大，有很多明星参与；其次是这个故事寄托着众多当今中国青年人的梦想——成功的梦想。

当然，金无足赤，人无完人。这部剧有它成功的地方，也有一些瑕疵。譬如你说的怎么有那么多的巧事，太假了。但是无论如何，很高兴你能如此执着地看一部中国电视连续剧。

ps:你对华子的印象最深，是不是因为他想开理发店，而你也曾在理发店工作过？你们之间产生共鸣了?  hehe, just joking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi, this is intotherain.</p>
<p>我之前读过你的很多文章，我记得你曾在福建生活和工作，不知道现在在哪里，回美国了吗？</p>
<p>至于《奋斗》，它是一部很受欢迎的电视剧，首先是其演员阵容强大，有很多明星参与；其次是这个故事寄托着众多当今中国青年人的梦想——成功的梦想。</p>
<p>当然，金无足赤，人无完人。这部剧有它成功的地方，也有一些瑕疵。譬如你说的怎么有那么多的巧事，太假了。但是无论如何，很高兴你能如此执着地看一部中国电视连续剧。</p>
<p>ps:你对华子的印象最深，是不是因为他想开理发店，而你也曾在理发店工作过？你们之间产生共鸣了?  hehe, just joking.</p>
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		<title>By: MF</title>
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		<dc:creator>MF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 01:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi --

As you mentioned in your earlier post, the big problem w/ studying Chinese through TV dramas is how boring they can be.  I totally agree, and one thing I do is try to find Japanese dramas that have a Chinese language track.  Those dramas are just so much more interesting than the Chinese ones -- the characters are older, the acting is less melodramatic, and the storylines are more realistic. 

I&#039;d really recommend 白色巨塔， the medical drama, because it&#039;s well-written and has some really great acting (good jobs by the voiceover actors too).  I learned a lot of vocab from that show.  Another good program is &quot;Die Sternthaler,&quot; that starred the (recently disgraced) Noriko Sakai. There was another show that I saw on Phoenix TV that starred Shinji Takeda as a man married to a deaf woman -- unfortunately, I only caught part of that and don&#039;t know what it was called.</description>
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<p>As you mentioned in your earlier post, the big problem w/ studying Chinese through TV dramas is how boring they can be.  I totally agree, and one thing I do is try to find Japanese dramas that have a Chinese language track.  Those dramas are just so much more interesting than the Chinese ones &#8212; the characters are older, the acting is less melodramatic, and the storylines are more realistic. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d really recommend 白色巨塔， the medical drama, because it&#8217;s well-written and has some really great acting (good jobs by the voiceover actors too).  I learned a lot of vocab from that show.  Another good program is &#8220;Die Sternthaler,&#8221; that starred the (recently disgraced) Noriko Sakai. There was another show that I saw on Phoenix TV that starred Shinji Takeda as a man married to a deaf woman &#8212; unfortunately, I only caught part of that and don&#8217;t know what it was called.</p>
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		<title>By: Uln</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uln</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 15:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. I have just been reading your old posts on the barber shop experience. Amazing. I dont know how I missed that at the time, its up there among the top classics of China blogging. Lots of peifus from Sh, I am a fan!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. I have just been reading your old posts on the barber shop experience. Amazing. I dont know how I missed that at the time, its up there among the top classics of China blogging. Lots of peifus from Sh, I am a fan!</p>
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		<title>By: Uln</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uln</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 11:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, I found this blog by chance and I am surprised to see you are doing (and writing) very similar things to me. I also got to the conclusion that watching Chinese serials is (together with reading books) the 2 best ways to get up there in Chinese when you find yourself stuck in the upper-intermediate.

Last month I watchd the full &quot;冷箭“ show, it is the latest of those liberation army serials. It was extremely bad, from what you write here I am guessing it was MUCH worse than the &quot;struggle&quot; . I wrote about it &lt;a href=&quot;http://chinayouren.com/en/2009/11/13/2490&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. The only advantage I see in those terrible army serials is that scripts are so stilted it&#039;s like a carousel of chengyus, great for students if you are patient enough.

However now I am watching 蜗居 and I find it much more useful. Because the story is actually adictive so you dont really need to force yourself to watch everyday, I find myself eager to watch the next chapter.

Also, one thing more: from what you say it sounds like you get the shows on DVD and watch it on your TV. I find it much more convenient to just get them on youku and stream directly on my laptop. I have found that if you are fast enough and watch closely, you dont need to rewind at all. Just every time that you didnt catch what they saying you pause immediately and most of the times the subtitles are still there for you to read and check dictionary. I find it better not to rewind/rewatch because it wastes too much time which you cant afford if you have a dayjob and a life in the same time.

I will be watching your new writings on Chinese TV. Keep it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I found this blog by chance and I am surprised to see you are doing (and writing) very similar things to me. I also got to the conclusion that watching Chinese serials is (together with reading books) the 2 best ways to get up there in Chinese when you find yourself stuck in the upper-intermediate.</p>
<p>Last month I watchd the full &#8220;冷箭“ show, it is the latest of those liberation army serials. It was extremely bad, from what you write here I am guessing it was MUCH worse than the &#8220;struggle&#8221; . I wrote about it <a href="http://chinayouren.com/en/2009/11/13/2490" rel="nofollow">here</a>. The only advantage I see in those terrible army serials is that scripts are so stilted it&#8217;s like a carousel of chengyus, great for students if you are patient enough.</p>
<p>However now I am watching 蜗居 and I find it much more useful. Because the story is actually adictive so you dont really need to force yourself to watch everyday, I find myself eager to watch the next chapter.</p>
<p>Also, one thing more: from what you say it sounds like you get the shows on DVD and watch it on your TV. I find it much more convenient to just get them on youku and stream directly on my laptop. I have found that if you are fast enough and watch closely, you dont need to rewind at all. Just every time that you didnt catch what they saying you pause immediately and most of the times the subtitles are still there for you to read and check dictionary. I find it better not to rewind/rewatch because it wastes too much time which you cant afford if you have a dayjob and a life in the same time.</p>
<p>I will be watching your new writings on Chinese TV. Keep it up.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 11:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you are fully finish it, you will find out that Lulu &amp; 华子 are quite different with what you thought, which somewhat makes me feel pathetic about reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you are fully finish it, you will find out that Lulu &amp; 华子 are quite different with what you thought, which somewhat makes me feel pathetic about reality.</p>
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		<title>By: michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 16:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you watched 我的青春,我做主... translated loosely as &quot;It&#039;s my Youth, I&#039;ll Do What I Want!&quot;? I though that was a pretty good one. Well, at least it was the best show we got to watch in &quot;the joint&quot;. But I&#039;d definitely have to agree that the plot hinges on all sorts of totally ridiculous twists and coincidences.

Then again, anything seems awesome when it&#039;s not the latest 50-part series on Mao helping Shaanxi farmers free their donkey carts from the mud while smoking and smiling. There are waaaaay too many shows like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you watched 我的青春,我做主&#8230; translated loosely as &#8220;It&#8217;s my Youth, I&#8217;ll Do What I Want!&#8221;? I though that was a pretty good one. Well, at least it was the best show we got to watch in &#8220;the joint&#8221;. But I&#8217;d definitely have to agree that the plot hinges on all sorts of totally ridiculous twists and coincidences.</p>
<p>Then again, anything seems awesome when it&#8217;s not the latest 50-part series on Mao helping Shaanxi farmers free their donkey carts from the mud while smoking and smiling. There are waaaaay too many shows like that.</p>
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		<title>By: shan</title>
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		<dc:creator>shan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 03:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i couldn&#039;t really make it through all of the episodes and skipped around a lot.  the conversations were nauseating and grated on my nerves, plot super slow to unfold, and i couldn&#039;t stand 陆涛 or 夏琳.  I watched episodes 1, 2, half of 3, and then 10, 20, 25-30 to get the gist of the plot.  nothing happened in the middle episodes that they don&#039;t reference later on, so i really didn&#039;t miss much.  the last 5 eps are relatively good in terms of plot advancement.

i was pretty disgusted in general with the materialistic focus of the show, particularly the lucrative real estate industry.  the tone does change a little in the later episodes ...

i&#039;m curious to know your thoughts as you watch more episodes, so keep posting!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i couldn&#8217;t really make it through all of the episodes and skipped around a lot.  the conversations were nauseating and grated on my nerves, plot super slow to unfold, and i couldn&#8217;t stand 陆涛 or 夏琳.  I watched episodes 1, 2, half of 3, and then 10, 20, 25-30 to get the gist of the plot.  nothing happened in the middle episodes that they don&#8217;t reference later on, so i really didn&#8217;t miss much.  the last 5 eps are relatively good in terms of plot advancement.</p>
<p>i was pretty disgusted in general with the materialistic focus of the show, particularly the lucrative real estate industry.  the tone does change a little in the later episodes &#8230;</p>
<p>i&#8217;m curious to know your thoughts as you watch more episodes, so keep posting!</p>
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		<dc:creator>realmayo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 00:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ｉ started watching this after reading the comments about it on chinese-forums http://www.chinese-forums.com/showthread.php?t=23805 , and friends in China said it would teach me some modern, useful vocab &amp; expresssions. 
I agree it&#039;s fairly watchable, and although my Chinese isn&#039;t good enough to follow everything, I think it is helping my Chinese. I&#039;m about 10 episodes in. I transcribed one of the episodes, which took ages and ages but was actually very useful, so I&#039;m doing another episode now.
Best thing about 奋斗 is that it&#039;s mainly non-stop modern dialogue, plus the characters are done well enough that you care enough to like/dislike them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ｉ started watching this after reading the comments about it on chinese-forums <a href="http://www.chinese-forums.com/showthread.php?t=23805" rel="nofollow">http://www.chinese-forums.com/showthread.php?t=23805</a> , and friends in China said it would teach me some modern, useful vocab &amp; expresssions.<br />
I agree it&#8217;s fairly watchable, and although my Chinese isn&#8217;t good enough to follow everything, I think it is helping my Chinese. I&#8217;m about 10 episodes in. I transcribed one of the episodes, which took ages and ages but was actually very useful, so I&#8217;m doing another episode now.<br />
Best thing about 奋斗 is that it&#8217;s mainly non-stop modern dialogue, plus the characters are done well enough that you care enough to like/dislike them.</p>
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