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		<title>By: doc martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>doc martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 02:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well . . . good to get the drift; i will be leaving new york city in ten days to teach english in two universities in guangzhou, i had to work two full-time professor&#039;s jobs to be able to survive.  at around $1000 a month each--which most chinese consider a good salary (god knows how one buys and runs a car--and there are plenty of them); the ticket alone is $1000 roundtrip, and one does want to have the option of leaving, lol.  compared to $60k+ of a union university teaching job, plus thousands of dollars of benefits, and months of paid vacation, it might seem like i&#039;m headed in the wrong direction, but . . . it&#039;s an adventure that may pay off in many different ways, not least of which is that my honey is there, and perhaps we&#039;ll be married in the spring.  ben, keep in touch, if you and/or others are passing through guangzhou, drop me a line and we&#039;ll do lunch, as we say around here!  best to all, doc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well . . . good to get the drift; i will be leaving new york city in ten days to teach english in two universities in guangzhou, i had to work two full-time professor&#8217;s jobs to be able to survive.  at around $1000 a month each&#8211;which most chinese consider a good salary (god knows how one buys and runs a car&#8211;and there are plenty of them); the ticket alone is $1000 roundtrip, and one does want to have the option of leaving, lol.  compared to $60k+ of a union university teaching job, plus thousands of dollars of benefits, and months of paid vacation, it might seem like i&#8217;m headed in the wrong direction, but . . . it&#8217;s an adventure that may pay off in many different ways, not least of which is that my honey is there, and perhaps we&#8217;ll be married in the spring.  ben, keep in touch, if you and/or others are passing through guangzhou, drop me a line and we&#8217;ll do lunch, as we say around here!  best to all, doc</p>
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		<title>By: Hunter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 06:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I&#039;m an example of a Chinese white collar worker. I&#039;m in my mid-30s, never lived in the West, graduated from a Chinese University and hold a doctorate degree, working in a US company in Shanghai. My monthly salary is about RMB 20,000, 13 months pay per year (one month pay as bonus). Full taxed about 20%, and have all benifits in Chinese called &quot;四金&quot;: endowment, unemployment &amp; hospitalization insurance, and housing accumulation fund. 

It&#039;s one reason why people want to live in big city like Shanghai, Beijing... Just as Ben mentioned, there are just more opportunities in the big cities.
 
The drawback is that living cost in big city is much higher. I came from a small town of North China, my friend in my hometown earns about 1/5 of me, but the house he&#039;s living costed him 100,000 RMB, while I paid more than 10 times of that for my home in Shanghai (on loan of course). It&#039;s really hard to say my living conditions is better than my friend. 

But, I still love to live in Shnghai rather than the samller cities, just as most Chinese do. Since it gives me the opputunity to expand my life, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I&#8217;m an example of a Chinese white collar worker. I&#8217;m in my mid-30s, never lived in the West, graduated from a Chinese University and hold a doctorate degree, working in a US company in Shanghai. My monthly salary is about RMB 20,000, 13 months pay per year (one month pay as bonus). Full taxed about 20%, and have all benifits in Chinese called &#8220;四金&#8221;: endowment, unemployment &amp; hospitalization insurance, and housing accumulation fund. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s one reason why people want to live in big city like Shanghai, Beijing&#8230; Just as Ben mentioned, there are just more opportunities in the big cities.</p>
<p>The drawback is that living cost in big city is much higher. I came from a small town of North China, my friend in my hometown earns about 1/5 of me, but the house he&#8217;s living costed him 100,000 RMB, while I paid more than 10 times of that for my home in Shanghai (on loan of course). It&#8217;s really hard to say my living conditions is better than my friend. </p>
<p>But, I still love to live in Shnghai rather than the samller cities, just as most Chinese do. Since it gives me the opputunity to expand my life, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 04:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ben:

You&#039;re welcome. That monthly salary is in RMB, after tax.</description>
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<p>You&#8217;re welcome. That monthly salary is in RMB, after tax.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Kayton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Kayton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2007 16:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I queried a few workers at my local Starbucks in Dalian as to their job satisfaction and benefits. I got the general impression that they *are* satisfied with the work. I was also glad to hear that Starbucks does provide health insurance.

I think a service job at a Western brand operation - Starbucks, Pizza Hut, etc. - is held in relatively higher regard in China than in the US. The Starbucks I go to is wholly owned - meaning it&#039;s is directly owned by the Starbucks company. Other branches are owned by local partner companies. I am not sure how the salary/benefits differ between the two ownership arrangements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I queried a few workers at my local Starbucks in Dalian as to their job satisfaction and benefits. I got the general impression that they *are* satisfied with the work. I was also glad to hear that Starbucks does provide health insurance.</p>
<p>I think a service job at a Western brand operation &#8211; Starbucks, Pizza Hut, etc. &#8211; is held in relatively higher regard in China than in the US. The Starbucks I go to is wholly owned &#8211; meaning it&#8217;s is directly owned by the Starbucks company. Other branches are owned by local partner companies. I am not sure how the salary/benefits differ between the two ownership arrangements.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benjamin Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2007 15:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jack
     Thanks for the figures.  Just curious if by 10k you mean 10,000 RMB per month, or 10k in a foreign currency?

@chriswaugh_bj
     It is both.  Living in Fuzhou presents considerably more opportunities than living in the countryside...from entertainment, to jobs, to finding friends or possibly a wife or husband, there are just more opportunities in the big cities (I&#039;m taking these words directly from a multitude of Chinese people).  It is also a face issue.  For example, nobody in my barbershop is actually from Fuzhou.  Fuzhou people simply don&#039;t do that kind of work....in Fuzhou.  Now if you go to to Chinatown in New York City, you will find large amounts of Fuzhou people working in barbershops, washing dishes, doing construction, or any other of a number of jobs which they would not do in Fuzhou.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jack<br />
     Thanks for the figures.  Just curious if by 10k you mean 10,000 RMB per month, or 10k in a foreign currency?</p>
<p>@chriswaugh_bj<br />
     It is both.  Living in Fuzhou presents considerably more opportunities than living in the countryside&#8230;from entertainment, to jobs, to finding friends or possibly a wife or husband, there are just more opportunities in the big cities (I&#8217;m taking these words directly from a multitude of Chinese people).  It is also a face issue.  For example, nobody in my barbershop is actually from Fuzhou.  Fuzhou people simply don&#8217;t do that kind of work&#8230;.in Fuzhou.  Now if you go to to Chinatown in New York City, you will find large amounts of Fuzhou people working in barbershops, washing dishes, doing construction, or any other of a number of jobs which they would not do in Fuzhou.</p>
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		<title>By: chriswaugh_bj</title>
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		<dc:creator>chriswaugh_bj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2007 08:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ben: Is it the location that matters, or the relative quality of life/economic opportunity offered by different locations?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ben: Is it the location that matters, or the relative quality of life/economic opportunity offered by different locations?</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2007 07:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I work as a market analyst for a fairly well-known Chinese company (so I won&#039;t name it here). The entry-level monthly salary for people with foreign citizenships like me is about 10k. A Chinese citizen with my job would probably get about 1/3 as much. Our health benefits are pretty good, you get coverage for yourself, your spouse (both 80 some %) and your children (50%).

Other than the standard vacation days, we get 10 paid days off per year (will go up if you work longer).

On the subject of taxes, this company actually deducts the full amount of taxes from employees&#039; paychecks, unlike the last company I worked for. Perhaps because it&#039;s too big of a target. Taxes in China is pretty low by American standards though. I get taxed at about 10-15%, even though my income level is usually shown as the highest strata on surveys (probably equivalent to making 200-400k / year in the US).

Generally, the company&#039;s trying to &quot;internationalize&quot; on the HR front, so it&#039;s learning from companies in the West.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work as a market analyst for a fairly well-known Chinese company (so I won&#8217;t name it here). The entry-level monthly salary for people with foreign citizenships like me is about 10k. A Chinese citizen with my job would probably get about 1/3 as much. Our health benefits are pretty good, you get coverage for yourself, your spouse (both 80 some %) and your children (50%).</p>
<p>Other than the standard vacation days, we get 10 paid days off per year (will go up if you work longer).</p>
<p>On the subject of taxes, this company actually deducts the full amount of taxes from employees&#8217; paychecks, unlike the last company I worked for. Perhaps because it&#8217;s too big of a target. Taxes in China is pretty low by American standards though. I get taxed at about 10-15%, even though my income level is usually shown as the highest strata on surveys (probably equivalent to making 200-400k / year in the US).</p>
<p>Generally, the company&#8217;s trying to &#8220;internationalize&#8221; on the HR front, so it&#8217;s learning from companies in the West.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2007 02:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Triple the number of work hours explains why I am listening to rocks and bricks being thrown off of the government building across the way on a Sunday morning.

The benefits for blue collar workers seemed pretty standard.  No health insurance, paid once (at most twice) per month and extremely cramped housing.  Always less than 1000 yuan per month.

The benefits for white collar workers really seem to vary on industry, experience, private or state, etc.  For instance, some companies give women employees a bonus on International Women&#039;s Day.  The govt/media make a big deal out of it, as if all women do, but I have yet to interview or meet one that actually did receive one this year.  Some white collars also get huge bonuses around Spring Festival, have personal driver&#039;s, unemployment benefits, health care, etc.

Many of them do not have health insurance either, but for people who make even four times more than the average worker the cost of a prescription isn&#039;t an issue to most of these people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Triple the number of work hours explains why I am listening to rocks and bricks being thrown off of the government building across the way on a Sunday morning.</p>
<p>The benefits for blue collar workers seemed pretty standard.  No health insurance, paid once (at most twice) per month and extremely cramped housing.  Always less than 1000 yuan per month.</p>
<p>The benefits for white collar workers really seem to vary on industry, experience, private or state, etc.  For instance, some companies give women employees a bonus on International Women&#8217;s Day.  The govt/media make a big deal out of it, as if all women do, but I have yet to interview or meet one that actually did receive one this year.  Some white collars also get huge bonuses around Spring Festival, have personal driver&#8217;s, unemployment benefits, health care, etc.</p>
<p>Many of them do not have health insurance either, but for people who make even four times more than the average worker the cost of a prescription isn&#8217;t an issue to most of these people.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benjamin Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2007 16:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>M.-
I enjoy my job quite a bit, but as Jiang (my coworker) put it to me &quot;You&#039;re probably enjoying the job now, but if you did it every day for several years you wouldn&#039;t like it very much,&quot; and that generally summarizes most of their opinions.  I do not know anybody I work with who could unequivocally say they like their job.  Most of them are from the countryside and have only a middle school education.  Working in a barbershop in the city, and trying to move up the ranks of the hairstyling industry (i.e. Mr. Zheng) is the highest they can realistically expect to get in the social ladder...there are of course occasional exceptions.  That being said, I would say that my coworkers definitely prefer their lives in Fuzhou over the life they would have been living had they remained in their hometown.  To Chinese people, location is very important and in their eyes living in Fuzhou is much better than living in a small town three hours away from Fuzhou, even if you are doing the exact same work.

As for benefits, Xiao Wang (another coworker) had this to say to me. &quot;You live in America which is a country with good benefits.  China is different.  In our country, there are too many people for the government to give us benefits, and in our industry (hairstyling) we do not get benefits either.  Therefore, Chinese people need to save up a lot of money in they lose their job or something else bad happens.&quot;

This sums up things pretty well.  The only benefit you get is your paycheck on the 15th of every month.  The shop does provide housing (a 3 bedroom apartment shared by 10 people), but that&#039;s it.  I&#039;m not sure how this compares to a white collar Chinese job.  Anybody out there know?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>M.-<br />
I enjoy my job quite a bit, but as Jiang (my coworker) put it to me &#8220;You&#8217;re probably enjoying the job now, but if you did it every day for several years you wouldn&#8217;t like it very much,&#8221; and that generally summarizes most of their opinions.  I do not know anybody I work with who could unequivocally say they like their job.  Most of them are from the countryside and have only a middle school education.  Working in a barbershop in the city, and trying to move up the ranks of the hairstyling industry (i.e. Mr. Zheng) is the highest they can realistically expect to get in the social ladder&#8230;there are of course occasional exceptions.  That being said, I would say that my coworkers definitely prefer their lives in Fuzhou over the life they would have been living had they remained in their hometown.  To Chinese people, location is very important and in their eyes living in Fuzhou is much better than living in a small town three hours away from Fuzhou, even if you are doing the exact same work.</p>
<p>As for benefits, Xiao Wang (another coworker) had this to say to me. &#8220;You live in America which is a country with good benefits.  China is different.  In our country, there are too many people for the government to give us benefits, and in our industry (hairstyling) we do not get benefits either.  Therefore, Chinese people need to save up a lot of money in they lose their job or something else bad happens.&#8221;</p>
<p>This sums up things pretty well.  The only benefit you get is your paycheck on the 15th of every month.  The shop does provide housing (a 3 bedroom apartment shared by 10 people), but that&#8217;s it.  I&#8217;m not sure how this compares to a white collar Chinese job.  Anybody out there know?</p>
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		<title>By: Arlene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arlene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2007 14:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While u r working in the barber&#039;s, I find u really learn a lot about the Chinese people working in the lower tratum. We should acknowleage the fact that they r someone who lead a bleak life. I am so glad that u could have the courage to take such a job. Chinese society is so complex that one could not make any assessment until he/she experiences it. Among all articals I read, I appreciated ur honesty about the snobbishness of some Westerners. During my interview, I did encounter some terrible people. Anyway, I will come to ur blog whenever I have time. Enjoy ur days and work in China~~</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While u r working in the barber&#8217;s, I find u really learn a lot about the Chinese people working in the lower tratum. We should acknowleage the fact that they r someone who lead a bleak life. I am so glad that u could have the courage to take such a job. Chinese society is so complex that one could not make any assessment until he/she experiences it. Among all articals I read, I appreciated ur honesty about the snobbishness of some Westerners. During my interview, I did encounter some terrible people. Anyway, I will come to ur blog whenever I have time. Enjoy ur days and work in China~~</p>
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