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		<title>By: Katie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 04:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article, and very informative too. Having lived in New York&#039;s Chinatown for almost two years now (although I&#039;m originally from California), I would agree that NYC Chinatown is probably the most authentic Chinese experience you can have this side of the Pacific. Sometimes I have the strange feeling of deja vu, like I am actually back in China!

If you&#039;re ever in the Los Angeles area, though, I would recommend checking out San Gabriel or Monterey Park instead of Chinatown downtown. L.A. actually has a very large population of Chinese from the Mainland, Hong Kong, and Taiwan in particular that have settled in suburban areas sometimes referred to as &quot;New Chinatowns.&quot; You can get some pretty good dim sum in these areas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article, and very informative too. Having lived in New York&#8217;s Chinatown for almost two years now (although I&#8217;m originally from California), I would agree that NYC Chinatown is probably the most authentic Chinese experience you can have this side of the Pacific. Sometimes I have the strange feeling of deja vu, like I am actually back in China!</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re ever in the Los Angeles area, though, I would recommend checking out San Gabriel or Monterey Park instead of Chinatown downtown. L.A. actually has a very large population of Chinese from the Mainland, Hong Kong, and Taiwan in particular that have settled in suburban areas sometimes referred to as &#8220;New Chinatowns.&#8221; You can get some pretty good dim sum in these areas.</p>
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		<title>By: Priced Out of New York&#8217;s Chinatown &#124; Chinatown Stories - Overseas Chinese Communities on 6 Continents</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priced Out of New York&#8217;s Chinatown &#124; Chinatown Stories - Overseas Chinese Communities on 6 Continents</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 02:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the recent arrivals are from Fujian province (rather than Guangdong, like previous immigrants), as Ben Ross notes. The hipsters have [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the recent arrivals are from Fujian province (rather than Guangdong, like previous immigrants), as Ben Ross notes. The hipsters have [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Nemo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 13:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow,you are so familiar with this whole thing!I didn&#039;t know there&#039;s such a history  in Chinese immigrants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow,you are so familiar with this whole thing!I didn&#8217;t know there&#8217;s such a history  in Chinese immigrants.</p>
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		<title>By: Hung-nguong</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hung-nguong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 05:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben, you are the first American I&#039;ve ever known who has so much knowledge on Fuzhou! As ethnic Fuzhou, I really appreciate your effort to learn some Fuzhou language. Just wonder how many young Americans can speak Fuzhou nowadays, maybe less than 10.

NYC is such a wonderful city. I have some relatives in NYC, so it is not difficult for me to find out the Fuzhou language in NYC develops many new words different from that spoken in Fuzhou region of China. These new words were translated directly from English to Fuzhou by pronunciation, without the interference of Mandarin which is becoming inevitable today in China.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben, you are the first American I&#8217;ve ever known who has so much knowledge on Fuzhou! As ethnic Fuzhou, I really appreciate your effort to learn some Fuzhou language. Just wonder how many young Americans can speak Fuzhou nowadays, maybe less than 10.</p>
<p>NYC is such a wonderful city. I have some relatives in NYC, so it is not difficult for me to find out the Fuzhou language in NYC develops many new words different from that spoken in Fuzhou region of China. These new words were translated directly from English to Fuzhou by pronunciation, without the interference of Mandarin which is becoming inevitable today in China.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 01:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DOES ANYONE THINK BROOKLYN&#039;S CHINATOWN IS BECOMING LITTLE FUZHOU?

After waves of Cantonese settled in Manhattan&#039;s Chinatown and formed their own community, later on in the 1990s an influx of Fuzhou immigrants began coming in as well and established their own community next to the Cantonese. After they established their own community within Manhattan&#039;s Chinatown, the increasing Fuzhou influx shifted into Brooklyn&#039;s Chinatown and now they are increasing faster over there than Manhattan&#039;s Chinatown or in any part of NYC and they are replacing the Cantonese faster in Brooklyn&#039;s Chinatown than Manhattan&#039;s Chinatown.

Since Brooklyn&#039;s Chinatown is a lot smaller than Manhattan&#039;s Chinatown and is getting more Fuzhou immigrants than other parts of NYC, Brooklyn&#039;s Chinatown is now starting to replicate the Little Fuzhou on East Broadway and is also beginning to surpass the Fuzhou population in Manhattan&#039;s Chinatown as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DOES ANYONE THINK BROOKLYN&#8217;S CHINATOWN IS BECOMING LITTLE FUZHOU?</p>
<p>After waves of Cantonese settled in Manhattan&#8217;s Chinatown and formed their own community, later on in the 1990s an influx of Fuzhou immigrants began coming in as well and established their own community next to the Cantonese. After they established their own community within Manhattan&#8217;s Chinatown, the increasing Fuzhou influx shifted into Brooklyn&#8217;s Chinatown and now they are increasing faster over there than Manhattan&#8217;s Chinatown or in any part of NYC and they are replacing the Cantonese faster in Brooklyn&#8217;s Chinatown than Manhattan&#8217;s Chinatown.</p>
<p>Since Brooklyn&#8217;s Chinatown is a lot smaller than Manhattan&#8217;s Chinatown and is getting more Fuzhou immigrants than other parts of NYC, Brooklyn&#8217;s Chinatown is now starting to replicate the Little Fuzhou on East Broadway and is also beginning to surpass the Fuzhou population in Manhattan&#8217;s Chinatown as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Fabrizio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fabrizio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 15:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, you found your way to Doyer street (the amazing little curved street with post office) which is one of my favorite spots in the city.  I completely agree with your explanation for the predominant usage of traditional characters.  There is an excellent historical work by Yu Renqiu called &quot;To Save China, To Save Ourselves&quot;, focusing on the Chinese hand laundry business as it developed in New York.  It has some good discussion of the initial development of the Chinese community within the New York region.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, you found your way to Doyer street (the amazing little curved street with post office) which is one of my favorite spots in the city.  I completely agree with your explanation for the predominant usage of traditional characters.  There is an excellent historical work by Yu Renqiu called &#8220;To Save China, To Save Ourselves&#8221;, focusing on the Chinese hand laundry business as it developed in New York.  It has some good discussion of the initial development of the Chinese community within the New York region.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 02:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If someone was planning a trip to NYC and only had time to visit one Chinatown, which one would you recommend?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If someone was planning a trip to NYC and only had time to visit one Chinatown, which one would you recommend?</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benjamin Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 01:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Alec
  
I found myself asking the same question.  Here&#039;s my take.  Since most Chinese communities in the US were established long before the founding of the PRC (and the introduction of simplified characters), they just continued using the traditional ones even though Mainland China switched over.  Even though the majority of the Chinese immigrants in New York grew up in the Mainland, the Chinese community in New York is still over 100 year old.  Changing an entire writing system (especially in regards to the physical printing presses, signs, etc.) is an enormous undertaking, especially when you don&#039;t have a national government behind it. 

Around the world, to my knowledge there are few Chinese communities outside of China which use simplified characters.  Singapore is the notable exception.  Adapting to traditional characters is not extremely difficult for somebody who grew up using the simplified ones, and I&#039;m guessing that logistically, changing over simply required more effort than anyone was willing to coordinate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Alec</p>
<p>I found myself asking the same question.  Here&#8217;s my take.  Since most Chinese communities in the US were established long before the founding of the PRC (and the introduction of simplified characters), they just continued using the traditional ones even though Mainland China switched over.  Even though the majority of the Chinese immigrants in New York grew up in the Mainland, the Chinese community in New York is still over 100 year old.  Changing an entire writing system (especially in regards to the physical printing presses, signs, etc.) is an enormous undertaking, especially when you don&#8217;t have a national government behind it. </p>
<p>Around the world, to my knowledge there are few Chinese communities outside of China which use simplified characters.  Singapore is the notable exception.  Adapting to traditional characters is not extremely difficult for somebody who grew up using the simplified ones, and I&#8217;m guessing that logistically, changing over simply required more effort than anyone was willing to coordinate.</p>
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		<title>By: Alec</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 09:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting the amount of Fuzhou food, Fuzhou dialect and Fuzhou influence New York is having without even realising (most NYers I imagine wouldn&#039;t distinguish Fuzhou and other Chinese food etc).

Wondering if you know why if there are so many Fuzhou people in NY, traditional characters seem to dominate over simplified. Perhaps to accommodate HKers, Taiwanese and more affluent Chinese-Americans who use traditional characters?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting the amount of Fuzhou food, Fuzhou dialect and Fuzhou influence New York is having without even realising (most NYers I imagine wouldn&#8217;t distinguish Fuzhou and other Chinese food etc).</p>
<p>Wondering if you know why if there are so many Fuzhou people in NY, traditional characters seem to dominate over simplified. Perhaps to accommodate HKers, Taiwanese and more affluent Chinese-Americans who use traditional characters?</p>
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