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		<title>By: Bring on the Night &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Bout rice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bring on the Night &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Bout rice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jul 31st, 2008 by Peter    This post is inspired by Ben&#8217;s recent entry. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bout rice: My wife (Chinese) tells me exactly the same as you say Ben. She does not feel full for a long time, unless she eats rice. If we eat Danish food (potatoes, pasta, salad, bread or whatever) one day, she will often complain that she miss rice the next.

She said something like this to me, when I giggled at her attempt to convince me that we needed rice for dinner: &quot;You don&#039;t know what it&#039;s like. I&#039;m Chinese, and we NEED rice&quot;. I believed her. I remembered how I missed huge chunks of meat when she moved here, and the menu suddenly changed to meaty to &quot;vegetably&quot; overnight.

By now I don&#039;t eat that much meat anymore, but sometimes I crave for a huge beef or similar. As my wife started working, I noticed that she started yearning meat too. Then she went back to studying and changed again. When she studied she didn&#039;t use as much energy as now when she is walking/moving all day, so that might be the explanation?

Now I pretty sure the 2 goes hand in hand. Work = crave meat. Less physically active = less meat.

Of course that doesn&#039;t explain why Chinese eat less meat generally, unless you think they work less hard? ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bout rice: My wife (Chinese) tells me exactly the same as you say Ben. She does not feel full for a long time, unless she eats rice. If we eat Danish food (potatoes, pasta, salad, bread or whatever) one day, she will often complain that she miss rice the next.</p>
<p>She said something like this to me, when I giggled at her attempt to convince me that we needed rice for dinner: &#8220;You don&#8217;t know what it&#8217;s like. I&#8217;m Chinese, and we NEED rice&#8221;. I believed her. I remembered how I missed huge chunks of meat when she moved here, and the menu suddenly changed to meaty to &#8220;vegetably&#8221; overnight.</p>
<p>By now I don&#8217;t eat that much meat anymore, but sometimes I crave for a huge beef or similar. As my wife started working, I noticed that she started yearning meat too. Then she went back to studying and changed again. When she studied she didn&#8217;t use as much energy as now when she is walking/moving all day, so that might be the explanation?</p>
<p>Now I pretty sure the 2 goes hand in hand. Work = crave meat. Less physically active = less meat.</p>
<p>Of course that doesn&#8217;t explain why Chinese eat less meat generally, unless you think they work less hard? <img src='http://benross.net/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Tom.Christoffel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom.Christoffel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi - Google’s Blog alert sent me to this post because of the term “regionalization.” I enjoyed the post and will include a link to it in the July 9 issue of Regional Community Development News. http://regional-communities.blogspot.com/ Please visit, check the tools and consider a link. Tom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi &#8211; Google’s Blog alert sent me to this post because of the term “regionalization.” I enjoyed the post and will include a link to it in the July 9 issue of Regional Community Development News. <a href="http://regional-communities.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://regional-communities.blogspot.com/</a> Please visit, check the tools and consider a link. Tom</p>
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		<title>By: King of Men</title>
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		<dc:creator>King of Men</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 21:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wenzhou: boring, bland and has little going for it. I moved north of the Yangtze, and unlike your initial rice situation, I took to eating it at every meal like, well: white on rice. However, up here in the north: it&#039;s going to take me a while to get used to endless variations of noodles, etc. Delicious, but I was never a pasta man. I suppose that time has come. You also failed to mention how many things in Wenzhou are more expensive than in Shanghai, but without the diversity and quality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wenzhou: boring, bland and has little going for it. I moved north of the Yangtze, and unlike your initial rice situation, I took to eating it at every meal like, well: white on rice. However, up here in the north: it&#8217;s going to take me a while to get used to endless variations of noodles, etc. Delicious, but I was never a pasta man. I suppose that time has come. You also failed to mention how many things in Wenzhou are more expensive than in Shanghai, but without the diversity and quality.</p>
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		<title>By: Tong</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There has been an official language in China since Qin(2)秦 dynasty, around 200BC(Julius Caesar wasn’t even born yet). Ever since 秦始皇 unified the language, whenever a new dynasty was founded, a new capital was chosen and the official language was designed basing on the language used in the capital. For instance, the capital of Ming dynasty is Nanjing, Nanjing dialect was the official language. 

It is much easier for a Chinese to understand a dialect than to speak one. My cousin from Singapore can speak English and Hakka, I can speak English, Mandarin and understand Hakka, so when we talk all three languages appear in our conversation. Personally, I think 闽南话 is the most difficult dialect in China to grasp. It is spoken among people from Fujian, Taiwanese and some Chinese in Southeast Asia. It is also the mostly used language, to my ear any way, in America China towns.  To say Cantonese is a common language spoken by overseas Chinese business people is really not accurate. 

The Yangtze river as a dividing line is rather a practical one, than a cultural one. It is a dividing line for the central heat systems. There is no central heat offered to the south of the river. The “money” part of your summery is certainly true within Jiansu province, some snobby southern Jiansu people would call northern Jiangsu people “苏北人”. But it is not true to the whole eastern part of China, Fujian and Jiangxi were never considered to be a rich place while Shandong was never thought to be poor. The rice part, you would have to push to line to the border of Shandong and Jiangsu, same with the weather. As to the language, you would have same trouble with the dialect in Anhui or with Yangzhou dialect for that matter and Shandong certainly has its own dialect.  I always get a kick of thinking Confusions teaching in Shandong dialect.

There are many generalizations between Southerners and Northerners, but the dividing line is rather blurring, to me anyway. You can generalize southerners are more keen on the preventive medicine and healthy diet(sometimes through exotic food I will never touch), but Suchuan food川菜is well known to be spicy and rich, translation, unhealthy. You can go so far as to say southerners are more conservative, northerners are taller. But all those are just what it is, stereotyping.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There has been an official language in China since Qin(2)秦 dynasty, around 200BC(Julius Caesar wasn’t even born yet). Ever since 秦始皇 unified the language, whenever a new dynasty was founded, a new capital was chosen and the official language was designed basing on the language used in the capital. For instance, the capital of Ming dynasty is Nanjing, Nanjing dialect was the official language. </p>
<p>It is much easier for a Chinese to understand a dialect than to speak one. My cousin from Singapore can speak English and Hakka, I can speak English, Mandarin and understand Hakka, so when we talk all three languages appear in our conversation. Personally, I think 闽南话 is the most difficult dialect in China to grasp. It is spoken among people from Fujian, Taiwanese and some Chinese in Southeast Asia. It is also the mostly used language, to my ear any way, in America China towns.  To say Cantonese is a common language spoken by overseas Chinese business people is really not accurate. </p>
<p>The Yangtze river as a dividing line is rather a practical one, than a cultural one. It is a dividing line for the central heat systems. There is no central heat offered to the south of the river. The “money” part of your summery is certainly true within Jiansu province, some snobby southern Jiansu people would call northern Jiangsu people “苏北人”. But it is not true to the whole eastern part of China, Fujian and Jiangxi were never considered to be a rich place while Shandong was never thought to be poor. The rice part, you would have to push to line to the border of Shandong and Jiangsu, same with the weather. As to the language, you would have same trouble with the dialect in Anhui or with Yangzhou dialect for that matter and Shandong certainly has its own dialect.  I always get a kick of thinking Confusions teaching in Shandong dialect.</p>
<p>There are many generalizations between Southerners and Northerners, but the dividing line is rather blurring, to me anyway. You can generalize southerners are more keen on the preventive medicine and healthy diet(sometimes through exotic food I will never touch), but Suchuan food川菜is well known to be spicy and rich, translation, unhealthy. You can go so far as to say southerners are more conservative, northerners are taller. But all those are just what it is, stereotyping.</p>
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		<title>By: jon byrne</title>
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		<dc:creator>jon byrne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben ,
     it is good to be reading of your expliots in china again, i find your observations extremely interesting. Here is my experience of different dialects:-
 My wife comes from  松溪 (song xi) in fujian province and speaks  普通话 (pu tong hua) and 松溪话 (song xi hua) ,she speaks 普通话 like most people from the south with the lazy tounge . Her father cannot speak 普通话 very well (my wife says that i am much better) and always speaks 松溪话 , his second wife is from yunan province and cannot speak 松溪话 at all , yet they have no problem communicating . My father in law speaks to his wife in  松溪话 which she can understand (yet not speak) and she speaks to him in 普通话 which he can understand (yet not speak very well). Have you found anything like this on your travels when you have been speaking to locals from the different area&#039;s you have been to ? good luck with the rest of your stay and enjoy the olympics .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben ,<br />
     it is good to be reading of your expliots in china again, i find your observations extremely interesting. Here is my experience of different dialects:-<br />
 My wife comes from  松溪 (song xi) in fujian province and speaks  普通话 (pu tong hua) and 松溪话 (song xi hua) ,she speaks 普通话 like most people from the south with the lazy tounge . Her father cannot speak 普通话 very well (my wife says that i am much better) and always speaks 松溪话 , his second wife is from yunan province and cannot speak 松溪话 at all , yet they have no problem communicating . My father in law speaks to his wife in  松溪话 which she can understand (yet not speak) and she speaks to him in 普通话 which he can understand (yet not speak very well). Have you found anything like this on your travels when you have been speaking to locals from the different area&#8217;s you have been to ? good luck with the rest of your stay and enjoy the olympics .</p>
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		<title>By: Jetso</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jetso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben, nice to hear from you in China again.  Are you going to the Games?  I heard underground ticket prices for the opening ceremonies go up to 5K RMB and closing for 3K RMB these days.

Frank, linguistically, China is in a way is much like a present-day Roman Empire with Putonghua/Mandarin (for the former) and Latin (for the latter) as the official standard-bearer.  You can stuff variants of Cantonese and Hokkien (similar to Greek and Aramaic in the Roman world) as the common language of commerce and business for overseas Chinese.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben, nice to hear from you in China again.  Are you going to the Games?  I heard underground ticket prices for the opening ceremonies go up to 5K RMB and closing for 3K RMB these days.</p>
<p>Frank, linguistically, China is in a way is much like a present-day Roman Empire with Putonghua/Mandarin (for the former) and Latin (for the latter) as the official standard-bearer.  You can stuff variants of Cantonese and Hokkien (similar to Greek and Aramaic in the Roman world) as the common language of commerce and business for overseas Chinese.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 03:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>very interesting observations. In US, at least people will understand each other even south and north may have difference accent. In China, you will feel you are in a foreign country when you are in the south. It is said that people say different dialects even at nearby towns in the south.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>very interesting observations. In US, at least people will understand each other even south and north may have difference accent. In China, you will feel you are in a foreign country when you are in the south. It is said that people say different dialects even at nearby towns in the south.</p>
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